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lorddemolatron

I think im sort of dimensional traveller lol
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In EU for example games what on NA ratings been mostly M are ending on 16 or 18 rating respectively depending on its content, so well now beacuse DMC 5 has to use that new RE Engine as i told i will be not supries if it ends on 18 beacuse RE engine is more detailed
 

Foxtrot94

Elite Hunter
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What if nudity is applied to demons? I mean, the Seven Sins from DMC3 are apparently making a comeback, what if Lust is more... appropriately represented? Would anyone be contrary to that? I think the context would justify it. They're demons after all.
 

berto

I Saw the Devil
Moderator
I'm not a fan of this game going extra bloody/gory.
I don't think it's going to be extra gory, in fact, from what we know Nero losing his arm is where rating gets its the blood and gore, but Nero getting his arm cut off seems like a pretty bloody sequence but still necessary for the story. Aside from that I don't think there'll be guts and brain chunks or anything that gruesome. I don't think you have to worry... Yet. We'll see before long.
 

Foxtrot94

Elite Hunter
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Now that I think about it the trailer also shows that scene in the beginning where there seemed to be like, fountains of blood spurting from the demon tree. Well, I'm assuming it's blood anyway. I highly doubt it's demonic fertilizer. But it didn't bother me tbh.
 

ShiningTempest

Well-known Member
In every DMC someone gets impaled and there is blood.
We see in the trailer that Nero gets his arm ripped off.
Thats an M rating there.
 

BlackAngel

Well-known Member
Well, I guess Mikami broke every rule.

Actually, I don't think the breast are clear enough to show nipples and they might not even have them. They've had breasts but they're always featureless. The frogs' little sirens, the Despair embodied, and who ever else I'm forgetting. They got their racks bare but they have nothing besides the shapes.
Capcom are bunch of wuss puss developers! They might as well sell it to CDPR because DMC needs mature content.
 

berto

I Saw the Devil
Moderator
In every DMC someone gets impaled and there is blood.
We see in the trailer that Nero gets his arm ripped off.
Well, yeah. Violence seems to always be ok while anything sex related is taboo. I studied art and I'm a fricken adult so I find this hypocrisy specially irking. There was this mod years and years ago where you could get Nevan with her hair out of the way and it actually wasn't bad. I thought it was going to be cringy as all hell but it turned out ok. I don't know if I'd call it sexy but I didn't roll my eyes at it. Then again, while I think nudity shouldn't be something to ashamed of or imply that it's somehow wrong I've also been quoted saying that the larger the list of reasons a game has an M rating the less mature it actually is.

When you shy from it while still implying it. like with Nevan, it comes off as though you are either unsure (like wanting to but being afraid of being rated R so you go for PG-13) or just plain juvenile but trying to get away with side boob, but when you don't use it right it's just as bad. You have to present it in a good manner and not be embarrassed about it because then it comes off cheap or dumb. Sexy shouldn't be something to avoided. It's like millennials went and neutered the whole of the United States, which I guess was eventually going to happen; as far as I know you gringos are the only people who are still get uncomfortable whenever a penis is shown on film.

Capcom are bunch of wuss puss developers! They might as well sell it to CDPR because DMC needs mature content.
I'd like to say that it's a matter of culture but I see other developers who not only not shy from it but embrace it with gusto. I think Capcom is just eager to appeal to the western market and adding something as divisive and controversial as nudity might be a risk they're unwilling to gamble on. Sex scenes, severed limbs, exploding heads, those are ok, but nudity? Too controversial. Which, by the way, I think speaks more about the U.S. as a culture than it does about them.
 

ShiningTempest

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I studied art and I'm a fricken adult so I find this hypocrisy specially irking. There was this mod years and years ago where you could get Nevan with her hair out of the way and it actually wasn't bad. I thought it was going to be cringy as all hell but it turned out ok. I don't know if I'd call it sexy but I didn't roll my eyes at it.
When you shy from it while still implying it. like with Nevan, it comes off as though you are either unsure or just plain juvenile but trying to get away with side boob, but when you don't use it right it's just as bad. You have to present it in a good manner and not be embarrassed about it because then it comes off cheap or dumb. Sexy shouldn't be something to avoided. It's like millennials went and neutered the whole of the United States, which I guess was eventually going to happen; as far as I know you gringos are the only people who are still get uncomfortable whenever a penis is shown on film.
I'd like to say that it's a matter of culture but I see other developers who not only not shy from it but embrace it with gusto.
I think they should go the mature route of showing characters with large breasts and buttocks. The artistic quality is really expressed when you let developers do what they want the most.
DMC3 Dante felt very expressive with his shirtless costume, Bayonetta is an iconic character because her body type and expression.

Culture is just a lose construct made by media and fake news outlets and adhering to stupid culture norms only injures the artistic quality of the developers vision.

Someone mentioned a mediocre developer called CDPR, they come off as cringey with their sexual abuse scenes and impotent protagonist, although those silly aspects could be forgiven because they are trying to appeal to 14 year old kids, their game dont have any seblence of quality combat system to stand on.
 

berto

I Saw the Devil
Moderator
I think they should go the mature route of showing characters with large breasts and buttocks.
That's fine I guess, but one but it's not always necessary. Go overboard and you'll not be taken seriously. Besides, big buts and big boobs don't immidiatly equate to sexy, there's an art to it. In fact I don't particularly find many game characters to be sexy. The only one I can think of is Paula from Shadows of the Damned.

DMC3 Dante felt very expressive with his shirtless costume, Bayonetta is an iconic character because her body type and expression.
Don't forget 2B and the cast of Anarchy Reigns. Actually, even Reiden is packing one solid ass, according to this one chick on YouTube, but it's not so much that they're all big but rather shapely. Platinum Games seem to take pride in their ass sculpting.

Someone mentioned a mediocre developer called CDPR
I've never played the Witcher 3 but I do have a copy I've yet to open. Still, can't really comment on it till I play but I remember 2 got a reputation for being the first none porn game that showed male genitalia in it. People complained a lot.. what a bunch of wieners.

Don't forget, too, that Itsuno said that they'll be no particularly scantily dressed anything to appeal to as many people as possible, so this is already out the window.
 

Foxtrot94

Elite Hunter
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I've never played the Witcher 3 but I do have a copy I've yet to open. Still, can't really comment on it till I play but I remember 2 got a reputation for being the first none porn game that showed male genitalia in it.

I don't remember any penis present in Witcher 2.

But regardless, in my opinion, nudity and sexy content need to have context in order not to come off as juvenile and ridiculous. You have games like Ride to Hell or even the first Witcher, where sex scenes are completely random with barely any reason for them to happen and clearly just put there to say "am I a mature game yet?", whereas they come across as the complete opposite.
Then you have games like Witcher 2 and 3, where sex is well contextualized, and with a clear philosophy behind its presence. Sex scenes with other female main characters have context to them, there's a story and a buildup leading up to them, which justifies their presence and makes them make sense. Even sex with prostitutes is contextualized, as the world of Witcher, ever since the books were written, is meant to reflect the real medieval one from times past (with a touch of grimdark to it as well), where that profession, you can bet your backside was prevalent as heck, and was not uncommon to find brothels and hookers at the docks, and the games portray that accordingly.

That is what separates actual adult and mature content from the juvenile stuff that is just there for the sake of fanservice. DMC4 had such fanservice in spades (so did DmC but with DMC5 being a new entry in the original saga I'm not considering that one), and definitely wasn't mature, was just there for eye candy, so it's not far fetched for some people to be worried that same stuff will come back here. Now of course Capcom is not CDPR, DMC5 is not The Witcher and its world is not meant to be believable or a mirror of reality, it's over the top and bombastic, so they can kinda get away with some stuff... I guess. But I'd rather have them have sexy characters without the cringy crotch shots and ayss and tiddies constantly in the foreground. You can do sexy and fanservice without being overly ridiculous about it.
 

Innsmouth

Sleeping DMC Fan
Supporter 2014
ok, sooo....In my opinion developer desperately tying to come as mature and adult as possible usually comes off as the most childish ones. And honestly I expect to be fun to play the game, instead of watching "we are so mature" performance. As for scantly costumes, I find it hilarious when people start talking how "sexy costumes are problematic, jiggle physics are unrealistic and big breasts don't exist" but than you go on the street in summer and you see girls wearing two stripes of clothes and with bouncing bust and nobody complains about this. I think developer should stop listinening to people suffering from inferiority complex and just do what they want, because as soon as you cave in to demands of "offended crowd" there will never be enough for them. Just like when Wonder Woman came and most liked it but it was still deemed "not progressive enough." I also prefer it to be context to costumes, clothes etc, but somethimes it's just "I want to look sexy", like in Bayoneta, which is perfectly fine in my opinion.
 

Foxtrot94

Elite Hunter
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but somethimes it's just "I want to look sexy", like in Bayoneta, which is perfectly fine in my opinion.

Yes, when the character in question is born to be like that in the first place like Bayonetta, it is fine. But "slutifying" Trish and Lady as DMC4 did for example, there's no point to it and that's where it becomes juvenile and nonsensical imo.
 

Innsmouth

Sleeping DMC Fan
Supporter 2014
Yes, when the character in question is born to be like that in the first place like Bayonetta, it is fine. But "slutifying" Trish and Lady as DMC4 did for example, there's no point to it and that's where it becomes juvenile and nonsensical imo.
Trish was created as Femme Fatale from the very first game. It's not like they redesigned her completely.
 

Foxtrot94

Elite Hunter
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Trish was created as Femme Fatale from the very first game. It's not like they redesigned her completely.

Sure but she didn't have nearly as much of a "slutty" and overall suggestive behavior.

The first scene with her in 1 was her kicking Dante's ass. The first scene with her in 4 was her showing off her jiggle physics. If you don't count her assuming all kinds of Kamasutra positions with Scarecrows as Gloria.
 

Innsmouth

Sleeping DMC Fan
Supporter 2014
Sure but she didn't have nearly as much of a "slutty" and overall suggestive behavior.

The first scene with her in 1 was her kicking Dante's ass. The first scene with her in 4 was her showing off her jiggle physics. If you don't count her assuming all kinds of Kamasutra positions with Scarecrows as Gloria.
Honestly I had 0 problem with it. IT was just show off just like Nero and Dante do it all the time in the game.
 

berto

I Saw the Devil
Moderator
nudity and sexy content need to have context in order not to come off as juvenile and ridiculous.
I agree to an extent. When there is context, and even thought, behind nudity or a sex scene it makes it more fitting and even mature. Use it right and a scene with nudity or sex can even be memorable or emotional. What I don't agree with is the 'need' part. To demand something have justification reminds me of instances of censorship and I am not one to advocate that. I'm not saying that you're saying that, just that this is why I don't want to have things like this to have to justify themselves.

For example, I don't care for the Dead or Alive series. I don't find it particularly enticing, but if others do, I will fight for their right to enjoy it, especially because it's something that doesn't hurt anyone. The way the new game 'buttons up' the girls to me is not right. It's what the series is know for, it's sex appeal and fan service, and that is nothing to be ashamed of nor something people should have the right to shame you for.

That is what separates actual adult and mature content from the juvenile stuff that is just there for the sake of fanservice
Yes, but as little as I think of juvenile fanservice I still think there is a place for both.

In my opinion developer desperately tying to come as mature and adult as possible usually comes off as the most childish ones.
That's true. I find that the ones that try the hardest to be mature, and not just regarding sex, tend to be the cringiest. There are a lot of games that try to come off as these impactful, dramatic, and meaningfully written but it's obvious that that's what they were going for and trying too hard so they come off as just plain dumb. I have nothing against dumb. Dumb is fun and easy to get into. It's when it thinks it's more clever than it really is that I take tend to tap out.

I find it hilarious when people start talking how "sexy costumes are problematic, jiggle physics are unrealistic and big breasts don't exist" but than you go on the street in summer and you see girls wearing two stripes of clothes and with bouncing bust and nobody complains about this.
In my experience those people are the same ones who would body shame women who professionally model and have double standards. The same ones who got all those race car girls fired for being models. When the models fought back on twitter some guy actually responded to one of them by saying 'don't worry your pretty little head about it' and called her 'sugar t*ts.' This goes from double standard to hypocrisy and justified sexisim.

I think developer should stop listinening to people suffering from inferiority complex and just do what they want, because as soon as you cave in to demands of "offended crowd" there will never be enough for them.
Which is funny, that they are the ones they listen to, since they probably won't buy the game one way or another.

You know, the other irony of all of this is, as someone else pointed out, that these people are doing exactly what the evangelicals were doing back in the 90s and 80s. Fighting sex and violence in video games. Just don't tell them that because they would explode on you for pointing that out.

Yes, when the character in question is born to be like that in the first place like Bayonetta, it is fine. But "slutifying" Trish and Lady as DMC4 did for example, there's no point to it and that's where it becomes juvenile and nonsensical imo.
I don't mind the 'slutifying' but I just wish they'd done it better. It's so overly obvious sexualizing. You don't need short shorts and no shirt or bra to pull off sexy. Elegant can be sexy. Comfortable can be sexy. Leather jacket and pants can be sexy. Anything can be sexy when done right, even tactical, it's just so blaten in 4 it almost feels like they put no thought into it. Tight corset and hot pants plus jacket with no bra or shirt. Come on... I also don't like Trish's hair in 4 but that's neither here nor there.
 
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