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Talking about Videogames and their problems

Skagewid

Well-known Member
For some time to now I'm having a lot of discussion with my family about videogames.
After these discussion, I came up with some questions: can Videogames create addiction? What is the right age to stop for thinking and playing to Videogames? Can they ruin a life? If someone want to work in a software-house to create videogames, is right play yet?
I don't what you think. I want to know your opinion.
 

Foxtrot94

Elite Hunter
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Of course they can create addiction. Pretty much everything can create addiction when you don't know when to stop. Can they ruin a life? Yeah, of course. Like anything that's capable of creating addiction.
This is nothing new, anything that's not pursued in moderation is bad for ya. But that doesn't mean there's something inherently wrong with them.

If you wanna work in a software house to develop videogames there's nothing wrong with that though. You like em and wanna make em your job, that's what everybody does and should do and it shouldn't be shunned just because it's videogames.

And games are not something that goes for ages. Nowadays the industry is very flexible in the sense that there are games for all ages. And ****, I'd actually say that the majority of AAA games would definitely be considered more suitable for adults rather than kids, in case someone's telling you that playing videogames equals childishness. With all due respect, that's the kind of talk someone evidently ignorant about the subject would do.

The bottom line is, a hobby is a hobby, a passion is a passion, videogames are no different but like every passion, at the same time you gotta be careful to control it and not let it control you.
 

V's patron

be loyal to what matters
For some time to now I'm having a lot of discussion with my family about videogames.
After these discussion, I came up with some questions: can Videogames create addiction? What is the right age to stop for thinking and playing to Videogames? Can they ruin a life? If someone want to work in a software-house to create videogames, is right play yet?
I don't what you think. I want to know your opinion.
Anything that serves as an escape from life like film, comics, porn, books can become addictive but it might be as addictive as alcohol, cigarretes or narcotics.

I think most people play games less seriously when they are in their twenties because of work/family responsibilities. It also depends on the person because i think those people found other hobbies that they can manage better.

I don't think videogames can ruin a life on their own. They can lead to an already crappy life getting worse tho.

I live in the states so a computer science degree is in high demand. I'm not sure how videogame developers are received but any art field is met with skepticism. You gotta do your hw as there are a lot of scams and false starts and also misinformation.
 
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berto

I Saw the Devil
Moderator
For some time to now I'm having a lot of discussion with my family about videogames.
Oh? Do they not approve of you playing games anymore?

can Videogames create addiction?
Absolutely, however you should under no circumstances look up game addiction. Those research papers are rigged to say yes in order to frighten parents into having panic attacks about their children.
http://www.psychologyofgames.com/2017/04/podcast-26-moral-combat-on-violent-video-games/
http://www.psychologyofgames.com/2017/09/podcast-30-gaming-addiction/
In this podcast a researcher discusses how government sponsored research on game addiction, game related violence and other hot button topics always start with the answer, yes. Government sponsored research always starts by saying that games are, for lack of a better term, evil and these researchers are asked to find evidence to prove it, not to seek out the truth. Games are not the only ones who they've done this to, either, so it's not an isolated issue to our interest. I advice to listen to get more information.

My advice it not to look for "Video Game Addiction" but in to general addiction for signs of it. All addiction follows a certain pattern. Drugs, alcohol, sex, and whatever addictions all pretty much form the same set behaviour in a person and both the symptoms and signs are almost always the same.

What is the right age to stop for thinking and playing to Videogames?
Your choice. People grow out of games sometimes and sometimes adults, with lives and children, begin to play games when they never had before. A lot of people see games as a children's only toy but the truth is that games are our generation's media and as we've grown we've demanded games to accommodate us, thus they've grown and expanded to a more mature media. There is no age limit.

People would have you believe that as soon as you can afford to buy your own games and systems is when you should stop because you now have responsibilities, yet no one ever tells you that you are addicted to music or television, even if they themselves have never gone a day without either. It's all a matter of perspective here but if you are able to be responsible and you are harming neither yourself nor yours, anyway you choose to spend your time and money is up to you.

Can they ruin a life?
Absolutely. In extreme cases people have killed themselves in game related incidents and over games themselves. Like any other scenario of similar situations, it's not the games that caused it, it's the individual's situation. Were it the game's fault millions upon millions of people across the entire world would have killed themselves, too. Each situations is unique but I'll tell you this, I don't believe that, if video games didn't exist, those people wouldn't have found something else to obsess over and possibly done something similar. It's not the media, it's the person. Games can ruin lives because people allow it to happen.

If someone want to work in a software-house to create videogames, is right play yet?
People do it all the time.

I don't what you think. I want to know your opinion.
I think video games are the latest victim of over protective and panicky parents and government officials who want something to blame with simple and comfortable answers when the reality is things are far more complicated than just video games being the source of all evils. Before this it was Marilyn Manson, before that Rap music and marijuana, then violent television, then Rock, then liquor and Jazz, and so on. At one point they were trying to pin it all on Pokemon so don't place too much stock on what people think regarding things they know nothing about but have an opinion they keep telling you is right. As adults we are all responsible for ourselves and if we let our hobbies or consumptions take over we are to blame, not the games or beer or whatnot.
 

absolitude

the devil is not as black as he painted
I'll just go with the big picture here.

Some People have the talenta for being destructive with themselves, addiction being one of them.

No matter how many rules or restrictions you're going to apply, it all depends on the individuals.

If we're going to go for even the bigger picture, it will draw all the Way back to parenting. Cuz honestly that's what significantly form us..

Dammit typing from a Phone is a pain.. Damn this ato correct
 

Skagewid

Well-known Member
Oh? Do they not approve of you playing games anymore?

For them, I should never have started. At their time, nobody knew the videogames. And those who played to videogames were locked at home without thinking to work, family and friends.

Absolutely, however you should under no circumstances look up game addiction. Those research papers are rigged to say yes in order to frighten parents into having panic attacks about their children.
http://www.psychologyofgames.com/2017/04/podcast-26-moral-combat-on-violent-video-games/
http://www.psychologyofgames.com/2017/09/podcast-30-gaming-addiction/
In this podcast a researcher discusses how government sponsored research on game addiction, game related violence and other hot button topics always start with the answer, yes. Government sponsored research always starts by saying that games are, for lack of a better term, evil and these researchers are asked to find evidence to prove it, not to seek out the truth. Games are not the only ones who they've done this to, either, so it's not an isolated issue to our interest. I advice to listen to get more information.

My advice it not to look for "Video Game Addiction" but in to general addiction for signs of it. All addiction follows a certain pattern. Drugs, alcohol, sex, and whatever addictions all pretty much form the same set behaviour in a person and both the symptoms and signs are almost always the same.

But, in your opinion, what are the symptoms? Are right define a person "addicted" for some hours of play at week (some hours understood total hours<number of days at week) ?

Your choice. People grow out of games sometimes and sometimes adults, with lives and children, begin to play games when they never had before. A lot of people see games as a children's only toy but the truth is that games are our generation's media and as we've grown we've demanded games to accommodate us, thus they've grown and expanded to a more mature media. There is no age limit.

People would have you believe that as soon as you can afford to buy your own games and systems is when you should stop because you now have responsibilities, yet no one ever tells you that you are addicted to music or television, even if they themselves have never gone a day without either. It's all a matter of perspective here but if you are able to be responsible and you are harming neither yourself nor yours, anyway you choose to spend your time and money is up to you.

I saw family fathers playing to videogames at the age of 50 years and over togeter their child. Is right? Is wrong? Are they completely mad and addicted? I don't know what think.

Absolutely. In extreme cases people have killed themselves in game related incidents and over games themselves. Like any other scenario of similar situations, it's not the games that caused it, it's the individual's situation. Were it the game's fault millions upon millions of people across the entire world would have killed themselves, too. Each situations is unique but I'll tell you this, I don't believe that, if video games didn't exist, those people wouldn't have found something else to obsess over and possibly done something similar. It's not the media, it's the person. Games can ruin lives because people allow it to happen.

That's right. All dull people think that playing to videogames is equal to ruin life himself.

People do it all the time.

I'm not understanding the answer. Anyway, that I would say is: if someone hate completely the videogames' world or isn't intersted to it, is right that he work in a software-house of videogames?

I think video games are the latest victim of over protective and panicky parents and government officials who want something to blame with simple and comfortable answers when the reality is things are far more complicated than just video games being the source of all evils. Before this it was Marilyn Manson, before that Rap music and marijuana, then violent television, then Rock, then liquor and Jazz, and so on. At one point they were trying to pin it all on Pokemon so don't place too much stock on what people think regarding things they know nothing about but have an opinion they keep telling you is right. As adults we are all responsible for ourselves and if we let our hobbies or consumptions take over we are to blame, not the games or beer or whatnot.

Maybe with our new generations, there will be a new thing to hate that the next generations love.



I'll just go with the big picture here.

Some People have the talenta for being destructive with themselves, addiction being one of them.

No matter how many rules or restrictions you're going to apply, it all depends on the individuals.

If we're going to go for even the bigger picture, it will draw all the Way back to parenting. Cuz honestly that's what significantly form us..

Dammit typing from a Phone is a pain.. Damn this ato correct

But if someone love a thing, how can he continue without ruin himself?
 

berto

I Saw the Devil
Moderator

But, in your opinion, what are the symptoms? Are right define a person "addicted" for some hours of play at week (some hours understood total hours<number of days at week) ?
I've never mentioned this to anyone on this board, the staff knows because I told them and that's about it, but I buried my brother a few years ago. He died from substance abuse so I can tell you about my personal experiences with it. I'm no expert, even now, after what happened, but I can tell you that what I know is that addicts make excuses, they can even put others at risk and still not admit that they have a problem. My brother almost killed people on the road and he still denied it ever happened or that he had issues, so clearly it affects their daily lives. I never saw it get to the point of getting violent just to score so it's not always an extreme but he definitely had p*** poor attitude with those who'd confront him.

Another obvious sign is the inability to go without your drug of choice for very long, be it alcohol, gambling, shopping or whatnot. If you can't go without your games for very long, and I mean can't, as in you'll physically hurt, then you might consider stopping, but if you can, as an experiment, go a full week without touching a game then I hardly call it addiction.

On a similar note, when I was a teenager I started taking some pills to help me sleep because I had a hard time doing it. I exercised in school and I did my homework so it's not as though I wasn't worned out. One day, not long after I started taking them, I told my cousin on the bus and she started going off about how I was addicted and how she knew addicts and that all sleeping pills were highly addictive so I was addicted to them. I wanted to slap her silly. She was being nosy and opinionated and challenged me, with a sense of superiority, to stop taking them, with a tone of self righteousness that made me rather curious as to why her head didn't explode from it, and I did and while I didn't sleep well I didn't crave the pills nor did I have any symptoms from it so while that showed her I shouldn't have bothered listening to her in the first place.

If you are considering the idea that you are addicted then it's not a good sign for making a case of it. Addicts rarely admit such things, especially to themselves. Like I said, try it out, give it up for a period of time. I play games every few days and I've gone more than a month without playing because of work or what not. Game addiction is not particularly well documented because of how rare cases are. These are the kinds of things the news try to tell you are more common than they actually are because they want ratings and it's an easy target.
 
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