What Are You Thinking?

[Vergil'sBitch]

*Sighs* Those nude models are terrible... seams and bulges (and that's just the women!)
Made a cartoon-y/anime version of Nite... she looks pretty cute... not keen on the skin tone though (looks like a peachy color). Next is Vergil... getting the clothes to conform is a pain though. Still, good practice for when I come to do the 'L' model.

 

[V]

Don't think I've heard anyone throw the fact they had a degree around like it was something IRL (except on here occasionally). Isn't the attitude in UK is that if you're a student now, you're a waste of space? Can't say I heard it in my family since they're academics but I hear it now since the financial thing made everyone feel you should be grateful for working in McDonalds instead of something to make fun of like that position was ten years ago.

I've had people ask me what I'm qualified in and then immediately mock me for it. Even though said people were hardly more intelligent or qualified, they just consider themselves "better" or "more useful". I don't usually talk about it out there because the attitude to being educated is kinda hostile.

 

[Shadow]

Umm, well, they've always reminded me of a sponge (something that someone would use in the bath... not that I've ever eaten one lol) But I've got odd senses anyway. Mum says they go well with Tea.
Urgh, tell me about it. When my other Grandparents died there was a massive legal fight over the will (My Uncle was contesting it for months).
Now that's a great way to celebrate turning 21 ^^
Really? I didn't see any on any search engines or on Amazon UK :/

Don't worry about the whole art thing... the more practise you have, the faster you'll get.

o_o Oi.
Ugh, that sucks. >_< It drives me nuts when stuff like that happens. I mean, a person died and...gah. It's not right. >_<
Huh...I thought I saw some on dA, but I might have been mistaken....
I hope so. ^^;

 

[Winterfrost]

Woot, got my order! So far I really love it.

though the winds will come back tonight..

 

[Vergil'sBitch]

o_o Oi.
Ugh, that sucks. >_< It drives me nuts when stuff like that happens. I mean, a person died and...gah. It's not right. >_<
Huh...I thought I saw some on dA, but I might have been mistaken....
I hope so. ^^;

Well, my Uncle found out that that my step-grandma's will contradicted her husband's ( my granddad's) so both my Uncles and my mum wouldn't get anything. So my Uncle contested it... it is a shame (especially fighting over money after someone's death) but Grandad did promise his children that they WOULD get something, and they wanted what he promised to them.
Hmm, up until you said that you bought a set of nendoroids, I didn't even know that they existed lol.

CT: That song definitely reminds me of Nite and Nelo. <3

 

[Loopy]

Lived in a town populated largely by students for 24 years and they were by far the rudest, most ignorant and selfish people I have ever come across. I personally do not give a monkeys whether academically they were superstars - as human beings they were crappy people.

There have been a small select group I have enjoyed the company of and I call them friends. They worked hard, earned their place at uni and have done something useful with their lives that benefits others or fills the world with somethig beautiful and thought-provoking. I have no problem with that and why would I? But this particular person is so full of themselves, their social status and their "degree" and spends much of their time waxing lyrical about subjects they have no real knowledge of...it irritates. I have little time for those who think that because they went to uni, they are somehow smarter or more acceptable in life than others. Just because this person can waffle on about a subject for hours on end, does not necessarily mean there is any substance to it. Intensity is not the same as depth.

CT: no I am not getting an xbox one. I already had a betamax years ago, thank you.

Ah, I see what you mean now. Just try and avoid this particular person if you can. They seem to be really winding you up.
I don't even think this person would care if they come over as an ass. Some people are just naturally like that. And some of the crappiest people are the ones in the high paying jobs because they went to university and then screwed over people on the way up. Life's just like that.
Got to admit though, degrees do give a fair few people a sense of entitlement these days, even if the degree was a pointless one like Harry Potter Studies from a former polytechnic turned university. :tongue: However, if you took 16 GCSEs with top grades, 4 AS levels and 4 Alevels, then passed a multi layered application process and interview, then yes, going to university is an accomplishment and they are highly intelligent. But I find people like that are usually quite modest because they've learned that if they open their mouths about it, people get quite irritated for some reason. I don't know...maybe those people feel jealousy that they didn't go to university?

I wonder if this person you're on about acts this way because of the school they went to? I know a few schools that bring pupils up with the idea that people without degrees or other academic qualifications are stupid, possibly criminals, do low skilled work, are lazy, and will do nothing in life but pop out kids and live off benefits for life. Then there are people who take vocational qualifications such as BTEC who are also considered to be stupid and will amount to nothing. My olds school is one of ones that encourages this kind of thinking. It really messed a lot of my former classmates up.

Just out of interest, what sort of subjects does this person go on about? The most popular subjects I've heard are sudden discovery of Randian objectivism where the person developes and attitude of 'f-ck the poor, why should I donate my hard earned money to those parasites?' and 'altruism is evil.' :facepalm:
Then there are the ones who get a sudden thing for quantum physics and tachyons, or the person who won't shut up about a piece of art and comes off as unintentionally pretentious.:tongue: I think with some people though, this talking does come from a genuine enthusiasm to share ideas, but others do it just to show off and make a hash of it. I know sometimes if I have a favourite subject or something new really gets me interested that I'll do loads of reasearch on it and then I waffle on about it for ages. I've sinces learned to keep that in the lecture halls, or private discussions with lecturers because these people share the same enthusiasm and can also waffle on for ages. Plus, I don't want to bore some unfortunate person to death. :laugh:

Don't think I've heard anyone throw the fact they had a degree around like it was something IRL (except on here occasionally). Isn't the attitude in UK is that if you're a student now, you're a waste of space? Can't say I heard it in my family since they're academics but I hear it now since the financial thing made everyone feel you should be grateful for working in McDonalds instead of something to make fun of like that position was ten years ago.

I've had people ask me what I'm qualified in and then immediately mock me for it. Even though said people were hardly more intelligent or qualified, they just consider themselves "better" or "more useful". I don't usually talk about it out there because the attitude to being educated is kinda hostile.

I've heard it in real life from time to time. I don't think I'm better than anyone just because I'm still studying. It's just something I really like doing, that's all.
I've heard that about McDonald's too. Sadly at the school I used to go to, people working there would still be looked down on. The way I see it, the world needs all sorts of people, and everyone should be given respect, regardless of their job or education level.

People look down on men who empty the bins, but if they don't collect the rubbish, the streets become a mess and sanitation goes down the toilet. People need to keep that in mind when they look down on bin men, waiters or store staff. Without them, you wouldn't be able to eat out or shop. My parents always say that there isn't a job not worth doing. Even if it's cleaning a toilet, it's still honest work and builds a good work ethic.

When I start my job next year, I'll be happy to start at entry level. If I ever get to the highest grade like my parents, I'll be able to understand what it's like for people on grades below me because I've worked my way up and learned from people above me. I think that's how it should be done. Parents shouldn't be putting their children in high positions, especially if it's over someone who is more suitable than the child.

Thinking: someone please take these chips away from me and lock them in a box where I can't eat them.:tongue: Also, I am really loving this new facepalm emoticon.:facepalm: :thumbsup:

 

[V]

People who think Randian Objectivism is workable in the world as it stands - probably heard of it from Bioshock hearsay/or probably not very smart if they study Philosophy at uni, since the world couldn't function like it does atm with such a self-centred and attritive creed unless you really wanna see it regress to some dog-eat dog hell hole... in which case said academics would be eaten for breakfast. If they can't see that society can only support the 'higher leisure functions' like artists and intellectuals and tycoons dealing in luxuries when it's beyond clamouring for basic existence, they're missing the point their own existence would neither be needed nor provided for. Or that money is part of a fully connected system, not just one's own. Very unwise. The sort of thing a bunch of privileged morons might talk (or write a book) about in a room thinking they're insulated from what goes on out there. You're only rich so long as your money is worth something, you're only safe so long as the rest of the world ain't starving to death and ready to take what isn't given.

People just like to sneer and think of themselves as superior by nature, I guess. I see non-students doing it all the time too, probably to make themselves feel better about their own lacking lives.

 

[Winterfrost]

Jeesh.
Wars everywhere!

 

[Loopy]

People who think Randian Objectivism is workable in the world as it stands - probably heard of it from Bioshock hearsay/or probably not very smart if they study Philosophy at uni, since the world couldn't function like it does atm with such a self-centred and attritive creed unless you really wanna see it regress to some dog-eat dog hell hole... in which case said academics would be eaten for breakfast. If they can't see that society can only support the 'higher leisure functions' like artists and intellectuals and tycoons dealing in luxuries when it's beyond clamouring for basic existence, they're missing the point their own existence would neither be needed nor provided for. Or that money is part of a fully connected system, not just one's own. Very unwise. The sort of thing a bunch of privileged morons might talk (or write a book) about in a room thinking they're insulated from what goes on out there. You're only rich so long as your money is worth something, you're only safe so long as the rest of the world ain't starving to death and ready to take what isn't given.

I didn't think of Bioshock being the reason, but you're right. It could be for some people. Andrew Ryan is like a male version of Rand. I only hope people don't take the words of Comstock to be a philosophy to live by if people are discovering Rand through Bioshock.
I think some of the people I know also get these ideas from their parents.:facepalm:
You're right that those people championing Rand probably haven't thought it through properly. I'm hoping people like that will grow out of it soon. They're still young, still time to change.

People just like to sneer and think of themselves as superior by nature, I guess. I see non-students doing it all the time too, probably to make themselves feel better about their own lacking lives.

Yep, it goes both ways. People who didn't go to university or finish Alevels, even GCSEs, talking badly about students. But without students and university degrees, there would be no more social mobiliy through education, and not enough people to fill job vacancies that require specialist training and education.
University isn't just about a degree. If you go to the right university, you mix with people who can open doors to different careers for you, and even help you land your first job. You meet people who maybe you would never have had a chance to meet due to social boundaries or class differences. University gives people a chance to escape poverty through hard work and study.

I know these days that university graduates are working in stores, stacking shelves and Mcdonald's, and this is quite worrying. If people with degrees are doing jobs traditionally meant for early school leavers and teenagers, then what are the school leavers and teenagers doing now that university graduates have taken their jobs? Not to mention the graduates who feel lied to, cheated and depressed because they're back doing work they did as teenagers for extra allowance money. They can't buy a house, pay off their students loans if they have them, or start a family; let alone run a car properly or buy food on minimum wage jobs like that.

It's like this government wants to get rid of the middle classes. If they do, they'll regret it. I know people are worried that the film Idiocracy will happen as a result of this; they fear that 'the poor and stupid' will breed like mice and ruin the country, while the goverment has a docile and maleable population to extort for every penny, but that's way too extreme for me.
However, I am concerned for what will happen to future generations when university fees are becoming so high as to be unaffordable for a lot of people. A country full of people with only GCSE and Alevel graduates can only have so many service jobs available.
The only industry making money then will be ones dealing with unemployment. I always find it quite paradoxical that people have jobs as a result of people not having jobs, and for them to keep those jobs, there must always be a steady supply on unemployed. It's pretty messed up IMO.

 

[V]

I guess some out there don't appreciate that for their house to built, someone needed to study architecture, engineering, electrics... for their food to appear in the stores someone out there needs to know how agriculture works, animal husbandry, chemists and chemical engineers to make fertilizers and veterinarians to keep the animals healthy, quality control needs to assess whether the stuff is fit to be eaten, business people and managers are required to organize how it is efficiently produced, sold and promoted, and to get it there someone needs to study automobile design and engineer the vehicles to carry it, etc. Without students and autodidacts to provide skilled individuals we would be living in ______? (Mud huts?)

The government already does have a malleable and docile population to extort. I mean look at it.

I think what will likely happen is that the poor will be priced out of education here; foreign students will pay to be educated here and foreign skills will be imported. We already don't remember how to build our own nuclear reactors and are asking the Chinese to do it or something. What's happening is that the place is being sold out from under us, with no thought to a self-sustaining future.

 

[Loopy]

I guess some out there don't appreciate that for their house to built, someone needed to study architecture, engineering, electrics... for their food to appear in the stores someone out there needs to know how agriculture works, animal husbandry, chemists and chemical engineers to make fertilizers and veterinarians to keep the animals healthy, quality control needs to assess whether the stuff is fit to be eaten, business people and managers are required to organize how it is efficiently produced, sold and promoted, and to get it there someone needs to study automobile design and engineer the vehicles to carry it, etc. Without students and autodidacts to provide skilled individuals we would be living in ______? (Mud huts?)

They just think food and houses magically happen in a vacuum without trained people having any part in it.

The government already does have a malleable and docile population to extort. I mean look at it.

True enough. You just have to see trailers for that Jeremy Kyle show. The people on there could do so much better for themselves if they weren't having babies as teenagers or having petty disputes on national TV. Aside from that, people are just so apathetic. Voting turnout is very low, people no longer care about politics because party leaders are all liars out for themselves and their friends, bleeding the country dry, talking about austerity while they use tax money for extra homes, food and other expenses.
I think people have just given up and drown themselves in TV and seek cheap thrills just to feel alive, or bury their heads in the sand. Many young people no longer see a future for themselves, and it has been reported that my generation will be the first where living standards will drop compared to our parents. No wonder my generation is the most depressed, apathetic, therapy-going and antidepressants prescribed generation ever.

I think what will likely happen is that the poor will be priced out of education here; foreign students will pay to be educated here and foreign skills will be imported. We already don't remember how to build our own nuclear reactors and are asking the Chinese to do it or something. What's happening is that the place is being sold out from under us, with no thought to a self-sustaining future.

I think that's where it might be going too. Education costs are rising, and without parents to bankroll you, more people won't be able to afford higher education for a bachelors honours degree, let alone a masters, PHD or PGCE specialist degrees.
There are already a lot of foreign students where I study. All from families who can afford to pay the double fee costs. I guess these days it is more lucrative to let foreign students study because they bring more money.
I just don't know why it has come to this. We're importing labour, and the graduates who can, move abroad where they can get a job in their degree subject, along with a reasonable salary ,which means even more foreign labour has to be hired in.

 

[Winterfrost]

Okay, so I got my Xbox One (Yeah yeah I know "lolz Xbone's lolz"), but so far I'm actually very impressed.
Nothing is wrong with it, Dashboard needs a bit get of used to I admit but it's very easy to move around once you get the hang of it. I've been mainly playing Killer Instinct with my friend, and it has induced some huge "OH HELL NO" yelling in the house because of how insanely fun it is...though I'm rusty on it.
I only got to play a bit of Forza 5 because I was too busy wanting to play Killer Instinct...and in my opinion, Forza 5 is one beautiful game I haven't seen in such long...long time.
My Battlefield 4 isn't here yet because of the wind storms, but it's okay, I can wait.
Note: All consoles are great and amazing in their own ways, I'm not trying to start a console war like on IGN would. I feel bad for those who got bad units (both PS4 and X1), no one should ever go through that. I'm just posting my own thoughts on the "What are you thinking?" thread because...well title. I am really impressed with it, and I'll be getting a PS4 eventually for Deep Down....it honestly seems like I'm the only one in the forum with an X1, and I'm not ashamed of that one bit.
OH MY GOD DOCTOR WHO SOON.

 

[Loopy]

watching American Horror Story before bedtime= weird dreams. Possibly awesome, possibly terrible.:tongue:

 

[V]

I thought the main message of Bioshock was that Ryan's Rapture didn't actually work, so if anyone did get the idea from Bioshock they missed the point by aeons. Nice in theory (like most philosophical constructs), impossible in practice. Sure, they made sci fi elements the reason for the breakdown but the Adam and the Eve just stand in for people being allowed to have whatever power they desire and obviously if they did, all hell would break loose and their 'society' would become violent anarchy.

Regarding our society atm... people are apparently either too wrapped up in their own devices or struggles to care about what's going on, or else they still subscribe to the idea that peaceful protest is the way to go. I don't think people standing outside Downing Street with placards do anything, or just random acts of destruction. But people have noticed they're not as well off as their parents' generations. I suppose now comes the decision - endure it, or get angry about it and do something about it. Think I can guess which it will be because the British are docile on the whole, and the system to keep them that way has really crept up in the last few decades.

 

[Angel]

CT: EDIT nvm. It would only be misunderstood anyway.

Off to Stafford for the day. Yikes...

 

[Dark Drakan]

honestly seems like I'm the only one in the forum with an X1, and I'm not ashamed of that one bit.

A lot of my friends have theirs and are really enjoying them and no doubt lots will have the PS4 when its released too. I will get an Xbox One when price drops, or I have some spare cash next year (unless anyone is really generous at Christmas or my birthday in Feb :laugh as I have a wedding to pay for and all cash is accounted for. Though I REALLY want to build a gaming PC too and get some more tattoos (and one finished and touched up) just dont have the cash yet.

I thinking that I hate winter and the mornings of having to get up even earlier for work to scrape ice off my car. Cant wait to get home and get some BF4 time in.

 

[seraphmaycry]

I thought the main message of Bioshock was that Ryan's Rapture didn't actually work, so if anyone did get the idea from Bioshock they missed the point by aeons. Nice in theory (like most philosophical constructs), impossible in practice. Sure, they made sci fi elements the reason for the breakdown but the Adam and the Eve just stand in for people being allowed to have whatever power they desire and obviously if they did, all hell would break loose and their 'society' would become violent anarchy.

Regarding our society atm... people are apparently either too wrapped up in their own devices or struggles to care about what's going on, or else they still subscribe to the idea that peaceful protest is the way to go. I don't think people standing outside Downing Street with placards do anything, or just random acts of destruction. But people have noticed they're not as well off as their parents' generations. I suppose now comes the decision - endure it, or get angry about it and do something about it. Think I can guess which it will be because the British are docile on the whole, and the system to keep them that way has really crept up in the last few decades.

so everyones drinking verility then:smile:

seriously though, i think that either this will go on forever or eventually SOMEONE will say "this is BS" and do something.

and it really does seem like those that work hard at uni are being put down, maybe it's being uplayed by media and the net, maybe it's part of some demented system created by some evil sons of bitches.

 

[Autumn]

The day I've been running from waiting for my whole life.... The Day of the Doctor!

I bet you guys are gonna be happy once its over so I stop popping on here to say that XD

 

[V]

so everyones drinking verility then:smile:

seriously though, i think that either this will go on forever or eventually SOMEONE will say "this is BS" and do something.

When enough people find their living standards have become bad, they'll wonder what's happened and why the people at the top don't give a rat's. It seems some people have to experience a bit of hardship themselves before they'll fully understand or care about how bad a country can get if you allow it. That's why I don't understand the mentality of certain privileged types who think it's a good idea to make the lives of the poor worse or demonize them. When the **** hits the fan, a privileged place isn't a good place to be in front of a lot of very angry/poor/hungry ordinary people. I think they assume they've divided and conquered already... but I notice a shift recently in the sympathy for those without jobs and who are struggling, as more and more people feel what it's like to live in hardship. Instead of hearing "jobless people are just lazy" or assuming if you are poor it is somehow automatically your own fault, I'm starting to hear dissatisfaction at the political class and the people who obviously aren't touched by poverty because - shocker - they're not even helping. Wow, it's almost like the politicians enjoy railing on the poor even though they're Tories and Tory lite, fancy that.

and it really does seem like those that work hard at uni are being put down, maybe it's being uplayed by media and the net, maybe it's part of some demented system created by some evil sons of bitches.

Definitely attacked by the media or the papers when it suits them to run a story about 'useless degrees' or whatever. Except now they can't exactly the way they used to since you kind of have to pay or be saddled with debt to do even a useless degree now. It's not the 'free party' they seem to think it is. And you do have to do some work to come out at the end with a degree or you don't even get past the first year or semester. Sure, I knew a few dropouts - there are always some, but most people worked hard, at least, in the BScs (as opposed to some of the BAs )

 

[Loopy]

The day I've been running from waiting for my whole life.... The Day of the Doctor!

I bet you guys are gonna be happy once its over so I stop popping on here to say that XD

Not long to go.:happy: We're going to be making a bit of a party about watching it tonight. Got chips and dips and invited some other friends over to watch.